an answer to those who use the bible to justify being anti-marriage equality

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This article is rather campy, but the original quotes are brilliant.

Mike Huckabee posted on his Facebook page:

“I may be lonely, I may be the only one, but I’m going to stand absolutely faithful to the issue of marriage not because it’s a politically expedient thing to do because it isn’t. I’m going to do it because I believe it’s the right position, it’s the biblical position, it’s the historical position.”

And here was the answer:

“There is no one biblical position on marriage, there are many and they include situations in which a soldier could take a POW as a wife, where a rapist was forced to marry his victim after paying her father 50 shekels (but only if he was caught) and polygamy. Does your support for biblical marriage mean you do not recognize interfaith marriages? Do you think marriages should be arranged and that women should be subservient to their husbands? Is there an upper limit on the number of wives and concubines or are you in the “As many as you can afford” camp? Do you think brides who cannot prove their virginity should be stoned to death?

I’m guessing it’s a big “Yes sir!” on the subservient thing because treating women as equals, doing right by them and working towards consensus is harder than reminding your partner that the Bible says she is a sandwich maker.

Historically speaking marriages could be dissolved if there were no offspring produced. Are you in favor of this pre-Christian convention? I’m not. I believe in love and I think the Christians got it right on that one. Speaking of Christians and the historical position: You people don’t always get it right. Same sex marriages were performed in ancient Rome, Greece, Mesopotamia, Africa, Asia and across the western hemisphere in the pre-Columbian era and, as John Boswell noted in his ‘Same-Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe’ same-sex marriages were pretty normal up until the Christians took over in Europe.

So you can drop the “not because it’s a politically expedient thing to do” crap.”

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pastor wants women to shut up in church and quit being whores

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These articles are very short reads, coupled with footage from several rather conservative sermons this guy has given. Both the writer and the readers are justifiably outraged about his comments and the understanding of women and their “placement” that he demonstrates. It’s hard to swallow religious crazy.

But while most of the outrage seems to be over the fact that he’s talking about this super old-fashioned and extremely limiting understanding of women, my disgust is directed in a different direction. What he’s saying, he’s pulling from the bible, the actual holy book of Christianity. Yes, it sounds boorish, stupid and downright sexist. Guess what? That’s the holy book that any self-identifying Christian is upholding. And if you’re going to pick and chose which parts you want to follow, doesn’t that kind of eliminate the whole, “God wrote this book so it’s holy” thing?

This is a huge part of why I left Christianity as a teenager. This guy is a misogynistic jerk, but then so is the supposed god he gets his information from.

WC

what every american should know about the “biblical” definitions of marriage

AttackThere have been a lot of good articles floating around on Forward Progressive lately, but this one really struck home for me. As a former Christian, this article highlights one of my biggest issues with the bible – inconsistencies and the not so nice reality of that time period.  It would be one thing if the Christians regarded the book as a historical document, but to hold it up as THE holy book, and scream that every word is god-inspired when there are so many horrible things (and things that often conflict with each other) is frustrating. You realize your holy book condones having slaves, don’t you? And murder. And rape. And rapists having the right to marry their victims, because the father of the girl lost out on selling her virginity.